Format "Shootout" by Brian Boyl
The information appearing on this page was put together by Brian Boyl
and originally posted on the DV-L
Mailing List in March 1999. It's basically a cost comparison
between various approaches for coming up with two different kinds of production
on film: first, a 16mm short, and secondly, a 35mm feature. (The
data covers only the bare shooting, stock, processing, and editing costs;
any other production costs are obviously outside its scope.)
Thanks again to Brian Boyl for putting together all this information
together, and giving permission to post it here - and thanks also to Adam
Wilt for bringing it to my attention and forwarding it to me!
--MAS
Introductory Notes by Brian
Boyl
I'm aware that some of my numbers should be better: Using FotoKem
was an expensive solution for film processing, CFI probably would have
done better; my $4000 for a DV camera was inexact but certainly within
the ball park; and my $5000 for a Premiere NLE was probably a little low,
however I've been able to put together a pretty good NLE for less.
How to Read this Stuff
A line like:
16 NegativeStock Studio F&T $0.31 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 200 minutes
shot = $2,232.00
Means:
16mm Negative Stock, purchased at Studio Film and Tape at a cost of
$0.31 a foot. At a rate of 36 feet per minute (normal 16 speed) and
200 minutes of shot footage (20 minutes at a 10 to 1 ratio) gives you $2,232.00.
LEGEND:
I've used the following company and product abbreviations throughout
this analysis:
Studio F&T or SFT: Studio Film and Tape
BIRNS: Birns and Sawyer
FK: FotoKem
Straight Line: Straight Line Video Post
Sin Hak Gaw: A well respected negative cutter for indies
IP: Inter-positive
IN: Inter-negative
Answer A/B: an A/B roll answer print
Camera Mast: The camera master tape
Edit Mast: The edited master tape
Christies: Christies Film Rentals
Dupe: A dirty dupe for projection and sound editing prep
ProMax: Who do you think?
4MC: 4MC Processing and Transfer
Sony: Sony High Def Center
Plus 8: Plus 8 Video Equipment Rentals
I. Costs for 16mm Film Short
ASSUMPTIONS (appearing where applicable):
- 16mm Short for festival release
- 3 release prints
- 20 minutes long
- 200 minutes shot
- Production rate: 5 pages/day = 1 week production time
- NLE offline of 2 weeks
- Flatbed offline of 4 weeks (probably too short)
- 2 hours video online (fine cut finished before online)
Shoot 16, cut on Avid, 16mm
release print
SHOOT: 16mm Film
16 NegativeStock Studio F&T $0.31 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 200 minutes
shot = $2,232.00
16 Processing FK $0.25 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 200 minutes shot =$1,792.80
16 Camera Rental BIRNS $200.00 $/day @ 3.000 d/wk * 1 week production
=$600.00
TOTAL 16mm Film
$4,624.80
POST: Film to Beta NLE
Film to Beta xfer FK $345.00 $/hr @ 0.017 hr/min * 200 minutes shot
=$1,150.00
Avid Rental Straight Line $1,400.00 $/wk * 2 weeks
offline =$2,800.00
Camera Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 200 minutes shot =$116.67
Edit Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 20 minutes final show
=$11.67
Online Straight Line $225.00 $/hr * 2 hours online
= $450.00
TOTAL Film to Beta NLE
$4,528.33
RELEASE: Shot 16, NLE Edit to 16-Std Answer
Negative Cutting Sin Hak Gaw $6.50 $/cut @ 15.000 cuts/min * 20 minutes
final show = $1,950.00
Answer A/B FK $1.81 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show =
$1,303.20
Check Print (2) FK $0.38 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show
= $270.00
IP FK $1.43 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show = $1,028.16
IN FK $1.18 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show = $848.16
Release Print FK $0.34 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 60 printed minutes (3
prints * 20 minutes final show) = $732.24
TOTAL Shot 16, NLE Edit to 16-Std Answer
$6,131.76
GRAND TOTAL: $15,284.89
Shoot 16, cut on a flatbed,
16mm release print
SHOOT: 16mm Film $4,624.80
(See 16mm Film above.)
POST: 16 Flatbed Edit
One Light FK $0.44 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 200 minutes shot = $3,182.40
Flatbed Rental Christies $140.00 $/wk * 4 wks flatbed
post = $560.00
Splicer Christies $10.50 $/wk * 4 wks flatbed post
= $42.00
Bins Christies $10.50 $/wk * 4 wks flatbed post =
$42.00
Dupe FK $0.44 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show = $318.24
TOTAL 16 Flatbed Edit
$4,144.64
RELEASE: 16 Flatbed to 16-Std Answer
Negative Cutting Sin Hak Gaw $4.20 $/cut @ 15.000 cuts/min * 20 minutes
final show = $1,260.00
Answer A/B FK $1.81 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show =$1,303.20
Check Print (2) FK $0.38 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show
=$270.00
IP FK $1.43 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show = $1,028.16
IN FK $1.18 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 20 minutes final show = $848.16
Release Print FK $0.34 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 60 printed minutes (3
prints * 20 minutes final show) = $732.24
TOTAL 16 Flatbed to 16-Std Answer
$5,441.76
GRAND TOTAL: $14,211.20
Shoot on purchased MiniDV, cut
on purchased Premiere system, 16mm transfer at 4MC
SHOOT: MiniDV Purchase
Master Stock StudioF&T $16.32 $/hr @ 0.017 hr/min * 200 minutes
shot =$54.40
Camera Purchase ProMax $4,000.00 $/camera
$4,000.00
TOTAL MiniDV Purchase
$4,054.40
POST: Shot MiniDV to Purchased MiniDV Camera
NLE Purchase ProMax $5,000.00 $/system
$5,000.00
Master Stock StudioF&T $16.32 $/tape @ 0.017 tape/min * 20 minutes
final show = $5.44
TOTAL Shot MiniDV to Purchased MiniDV Camera
$5,005.44
RELEASE: DV to 16-4MC
DVCAM to DigiBeta xfer 4MC 167.00 $/20 min @ 0.050 tape/min * 20 minutes
final show = $167.00
Video to 16 xfer 4MC 180.00 $/min * 20 minutes final
show = $3,600.00
Additional Prints 4MC 0.18 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 40 additional printed
minutes (2 addt'l prints * 20 minutes final show) = $259.20
TOTAL DV to 16-4MC
$4,026.20
GRAND TOTAL: $13,086.04
Shoot on a rented DVCAM 130,
purchase Premiere edit system with rented deck,16mm transfer at 4MC
SHOOT: DVCAM
Master Stock StudioF&T $25.00 $/34min @ 0.029 tape/min * 200 minutes
shot = $147.06
Camera Rental Plus8 $450.00 $/day @ 4.000 d/wk * 1 week production
= $1,800.00
TOTAL DVCAM $1,947.06
POST: Shot DVCAM to Purchased DVCAM NLE, deck rental
NLE Purchase ProMax $5,000.00 $/system
$5,000.00
Deck Rental Plus8 $225.00 $/day @ 4.000 days/wk * 2 weeks offline =
$1,800.00
Edit Mast StudioF&T $25.00 $/tape @ 0.029 tape/min * 20 minutes
final show = $14.71
TOTAL Shot DVCAM to Purchased DVCAM NLE, deck rental
$6,814.71
RELEASE: DV to 16-4MC $4026.2
(See DV to 16-4MC above)
GRAND TOTAL: $12,787.97
Shoot DigiBeta, cut on an analog
Avid, 16mm transfer at 4MC
SHOOT: DigiBeta
Master Stock StudioF&T $48.49 $/40min @ 0.025 tape/min * 200 minutes
shot = $242.45
Camera Rental Plus8 $1,200.00 $/day @ 4.000 d/wk * 1 week production
= $4,800.00
TOTAL DigiBeta
$5,042.45
POST: DigiBeta to Beta NLE
DigiBeta to Beta xfer FK $150.00 $/hr @ 0.017 hr/min * 200 minutes shot
= $500.00
Avid Rental Straight Line $1,400.00 $/wk * 2 weeks
offline = $2,800.00
Camera Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 200 minutes shot =
$116.67
Edit Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 20 minutes final show
= $11.67
Online Straight Line $225.00 $/hr * 2 hours online
= $450.00
TOTAL DigiBeta to Beta NLE
$3,878.33
RELEASE: Beta to 16-4MC
Video to 16 xfer 4MC $180.00 $/min * 20 minutes final
show = $3,600.00
Additional Prints 4MC $0.18 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 40 additional printed
minutes (2 addt'l prints * 20 minutes final show) = $259.20
TOTAL Beta to 16-4MC
$3,859.20
GRAND TOTAL: $12,779.98
II. Costs for 35mm Film Feature
ASSUMPTIONS (appearing where applicable):
- 35mm Feature for festival release
- 3 release prints
- 90 minutes long
- 900 minutes shot
- Production rate: 5 pages/day = 4 weeks production time
- NLE offline of 9 weeks
- Flatbed offline of 18 weeks
- 9 hours video online (fine cut finished before online)
Shoot 35, Avid Edit
SHOOT: 35mm Film
35 NegativeStock KODAK $0.52 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 900 minutes shot
= $42,120.00
35 Processing FK $0.25 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 900 minutes shot = $20,169.00
35 Camera Rental BIRNS $425.00 $/day @ 3.000 d/wk * 4 week production
= $5,100.00
TOTAL 35mm Film
$67,389.00
POST: Film to Beta NLE
Film to Beta xfer FK $345.00 $/hr @ 0.017 hr/min * 900 minutes shot
= $5,175.00
Avid Rental Straight Line $1,400.00 $/wk * 9 weeks
offline = $12,600.00
Camera Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 900 minutes shot =
$525.00
Edit Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 90 minutes final show
= $52.50
Online Straight Line $225.00 $/hr * 9 hours online
= $2,025.00
TOTAL Film to Beta NLE
$20,377.50
RELEASE: NLE Edit to 35 Release Print-Std Answer
Negative Cutting Sin Hak Gaw $6.50 $/cut @ 15.000 cuts/min * 90 minutes
final show = $8,775.00
Answer A/B FK $1.88 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show =
$15,219.90
Check Print (2) FK $0.40 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show
= $3,199.50
IP FK $1.88 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show = $15,236.10
IN FK $1.64 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show = $13,292.10
Release Print FK $0.37 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 270 printed minutes (3
prints * 90 minutes final show) = $8,966.70
TOTAL NLE Edit to 35 Release Print-Std Answer
$64,689.30
GRAND TOTAL: $152,455.80
Shoot Super16, Avid Edit
SHOOT: Super 16
Super 16 Stock Studio F&T $0.31 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 900 minutes
shot = $10,044.00
Super 16 Processing FK $0.25 $/ft @ 36.000 ft/min * 900 minutes shot
= $8,067.60
Super 16 Camera Rental BIRNS $300.00 $/day @ 3.000 d/wk * 4 week production
= $3,600.00
TOTAL Super 16
$21,711.60
POST: Film to Beta NLE
(See POST: Film to Beta NLE above)
RELEASE: Shot S16, NLE Edit to 35 print
Shot S16, NLE Edit to 35-Std Answer
Negative Cutting Sin Hak Gaw $7.00 $/cut @ 15.000 cuts/min * 90 minutes
final show = $9,450.00
Answer A/B FK $1.88 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show =
$15,219.90
Check Print (2) FK $0.40 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show
= $3,199.50
35 Blowup CFI $2.57 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show =
$20,854.26
35 IP FK $2.61 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show = $21,165.30
35 IN FK $1.64 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 90 minutes final show = $13,292.10
Release Print FK $0.37 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 270 printed minutes (3
prints * 90 minutes final show) = $8,966.70
TOTAL Shot S16, NLE Edit to 35-Std Answer
$92,147.76
GRAND TOTAL: $134,236.86
Shoot HD, Avid Edit, transfer
to 35 at Sony Pictures
SHOOT: HD
Master Stock Plus8 $64.00 $/hr @ 0.017 hr/min * 900 minutes shot = $960.00
Camera Rental Plus8 $1,500.00 $/day @ 4.000 d/wk * 4 week production
= $24,000.00
TOTAL HD $24,960.00
POST: HD to Beta NLE
HD to Beta xfer SONY $150.00 $/hr @ 0.017 hr/min * 900 minutes shot
= $2,250.00
Avid Rental Straight Line $1,400.00 $/wk * 9 weeks
offline = $12,600.00
Camera Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 900 minutes shot =
$525.00
Edit Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 90 minutes final show
= $52.50
Online Laser Pacific $850.00 $/hr * 9 hours online
= $7,650.00
TOTAL HD to Beta NLE
$23,077.50
RELEASE: HD to 35-SONY
Video to 35 xfer SONY $458.67 $/min * 90 minutes final
show = $41,280.00
Release Print FK $0.37 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 270 printed minutes (3
prints * 90 minutes final show) = $8,966.70
TOTAL HD to 35-SONY
$50,246.70
GRAND TOTAL: $98,284.20
Shoot DVCAM wide (DSR-130 WS),
Purchase Premiere system w/ no deck, Sony transfer
SHOOT: DVCAM
Master Stock StudioF&T $25.00 $/34min @ 0.029 tape/min * 900 minutes
shot = $661.76
Camera Rental Plus8 $450.00 $/day @ 4.000 d/wk * 4 week production
= $7,200.00
TOTAL DVCAM $7,861.76
POST: Shot DVCAM to Purchased DVCAM NLE, deck rental
NLE Purchase ProMax $5,000.00 $/system
$5,000.00
Deck Rental Plus8 $225.00 $/day @ 4.000 days/wk * 9 weeks offline =
$8,100.00
Edit Mast StudioF&T $25.00 $/tape @ 0.029 tape/min * 90 minutes
final show = $66.18
TOTAL Shot DVCAM to Purchased DVCAM NLE, deck rental
$13,166.18
RELEASE: DV to 35-SONY
DVCAM to DigiBeta xfer 4MC $167.00 $/tape @ 0.050 tape/min * 90 minutes
final show = $751.50
DB Cam Mast SFT $48.49 $/tape @ 0.025 tape/min * 90 minutes final show
= $109.10
Video to 35 xfer SONY $488.00 $/min * 90 minutes
final show = $43,920.00
Release Prints FK $0.37 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 270 printed minutes
(3 prints * 90 minutes final show) = $8,966.70
TOTAL DV to 35-SONY
$53,747.30
GRAND TOTAL: $74,775.24
Shoot DigiBeta, Avid Edit, Vid
to Film Transfer at Sony
SHOOT: DigiBeta
Master Stock StudioF&T $48.49 $/40min @ 0.025 tape/min * 900 minutes
shot = $1,091.03
Camera Rental Plus8 $1,200.00 $/day @ 4.000 d/wk * 4 week production
= $19,200.00
TOTAL DigiBeta
$20,291.03
POST: DigiBeta to Beta NLE
DigiBeta to Beta xfer FK $150.00 $/hr @ 0.017 hr/min * 900 minutes shot
= $2,250.00
Avid Rental Straight Line $1,400.00 $/wk * 9 weeks
offline = $12,600.00
Camera Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 900 minutes shot =
$525.00
Edit Mast SFT $17.50 $/tape @ 0.033 tape/min * 90 minutes final show
= $52.50
Online Straight Line $225.00 $/hr * 9 hours online
= $2,025.00
TOTAL DigiBeta to Beta NLE
$17,452.50
RELEASE: DigiBeta/Beta to 35-SONY
Video to 35 xfer SONY $488.00 $/min * 90 minutes final
show = $43,920.00
Release Print FK $0.37 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 270 printed minutes (3
prints * 90 minutes final show) = $8,966.70
TOTAL DigiBeta/Beta to 35-SONY
$52,886.70
GRAND TOTAL: $90,630.23
Shoot on Purchased MiniDV, Purchase
Premiere system, Sony transfer
SHOOT: MiniDV Purchase
Master Stock StudioF&T $16.32 $/hr @ 0.017 hr/min * 900 minutes
shot =
$244.80
Camera Purchase ProMax $4,000.00 $/camera
$4,000.00
TOTAL MiniDV Purchase
$4,244.80
POST: Shot MiniDV to Purchased MiniDV, Camera Purchase
NLE Purchase ProMax $5,000.00 $/system
$5,000.00
Master Stock StudioF&T $16.32 $/tape @ 0.017 tape/min * 90 minutes
final show = $24.48
TOTAL Shot MiniDV to Purchased MiniDV, Camera Purchase $5,024.48
RELEASE: DV to 35-SONY
(See RELEASE: DV to 35-SONY above)
GRAND TOTAL: $63,016.58
Shoot DigiBeta, Avid Edit, Vid
to Film Transfer at 4MC
SHOOT: DigiBeta
(See SHOOT: DigiBeta above)
POST: DigiBeta to Beta NLE
(See POST: DigiBeta to Beta NLE above)
RELEASE: DigiBeta/Beta to 35-4MC
Video to 35 xfer 4MC $425.00 $/min * 90 minutes final
show = $38,250.00
Additional Prints 4MC $0.18 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 180 additional printed
minutes (2 addt'l prints * 90 minutes final show) = $2,916.00
TOTAL DigiBeta/Beta to 35-4MC
$41,166.00
GRAND TOTAL: $78,909.53
Shoot DVCAM wide, Purchase Premiere
system w/ no deck, 4MC transfer
SHOOT: DVCAM
(See SHOOT: DVCAM above)
POST: Shot DVCAM to Purchased DVCAM NLE, deck rental
(See POST: Shot DVCAM to Purchased DVCAM NLE, deck rental above)
RELEASE: DV to 35-4MC
DVCAM to DigiBeta xfer 4MC $167.00 $/20 min @ 0.050 tape/min * 90 minutes
final show = $751.50
Video to 35 xfer 4MC $425.00 $/min * 90 minutes final
show = $38,250.00
Additional Prints 4MC $0.18 $/ft @ 90.000 ft/min * 180 additional printed
minutes (2 addt'l prints * 90 minutes final show) = $2,916.00
TOTAL DV to 35-4MC
$41,917.50
GRAND TOTAL: $62,945.44
Shoot on Purchased MiniDV, Purchase
Premiere system, transfer at 4MC
SHOOT: MiniDV Purchase
(See SHOOT: MiniDV Purchase above)
POST: Shot MiniDV to Purchased MiniDV, Camera Purchase
(See POST: Shot MiniDV to Purchased MiniDV, Camera Purchase above)
RELEASE: DV to 35-4MC
(See RELEASE: DV to 35-4MC above)
GRAND TOTAL: $51,186.78
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